Release Agent – pics of the shiny mould

So, the Marbocoat mould-sealer claims to leave the mould more shiny than if it was just ordinarily treated. Well, if you look at the pictures above, you can see that it actually does. Five coats of sealer and five coats of release agent and you can see the result. 

I masked off the mould for about one inch (I know, thinking in old money – don’t care) around the perimeter so there wouldn’t be any issues with the tack-tape struggling for adhesion. As a comparison, masking tape applied to the treated surface just curls off. 
The mould is treated, the templates are made. The modifications to an old compressor to make a vacuum chamber are nearly done (subject of another post soon), and the spray-booth is complete. The next post illustrates just how Dexter I’ve gone.

3D Printed Intake Trumpets

Or ram pipes, or velocity stacks – whatever.

I’ve made these trial pieces. The plan is to have a veritably huge amount of length variations, so when I set my engine up on the rolling road, I can mix and match to get just the variances in length I need. When I say I, I mean Damien from Daytuner, but you know what I mean.

A study in cores for my tub

Problem

So, I need to decide which core to use in the sides of the tub, where I don’t really need huge stiffness like I do with the base, but I still need to do a trade-off between thickness, ease of working, stiffness and weight.

Weight wasn’t going to be my only trade-off here. I have some others to think about

  • Ease of preparation started to become important when I started calculating the time required to prepare a standard foam such as the Airex. It needs to be scored every 20mm as a grid, and then at each intersection, needs to have a hole pit in (only 2mm or so) to allow the resin to flow through to the other side of the core. I did a square metre of it, and it took over two hours. Very tedious to do accurately.
  • Ease of layup is also a significant factor. Some cores are very bendy, some are very rigid, and some will thermoform. I don’t want to choose a core of marginal better physical properties if it takes me days of frustration to get it into the stack. This isn’t just a simple flat sheet, but a large female mould with complex curves in multiple planes.
  • Physical strength

Method

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  • do a flex-test to see how rigid it is (clamp one end to a flat surface – hang a standard weight off the other end). You can see how the steel rule is horizontal, and the part has deflected.. 24g is the weight.

Results

  • Weight – Soric (24g), 3D Core (23g), airex (29.5g). So, the airex is 2/5 thicker than the other two, and is 26% heavier.
  • Deflection (therefore infer stiffness) – Soric 30.9mm, 3D Core 31.6mm and airex – 20.5mm

Ease of layup

  1. Soric first – it’s more or less like a thick cloth, and will bend into most angles without being damaged
  2. 3D Core second. It’s a bit like hexagons of foam which are stitched together. It will easily follow simple curves, and can be thermoformed into the tighter ones. It’s not great in tight curves and will separate at the meeting points between the hexagons
  3. Airex last. It has some flex but does thermoform very well. However, getting the hot-air gun in there and pushing and shoving to thermoform it is going to be an arse.

Conclusions

  • I was surprised a bit between the 3D Core and the Soric. Deflections were very similar for very similar weight, which is what one would hope to see. This means the cores were performing as a function of the distance they separate the cloth. I thought the Soric would hold a lot more resin than the 3D core mind, and the results were so close.
  • The airex outperformed for stiffness, which is a symptom of the thickness it separated the cores. Interestingly, i could hear the fibers snap when i weighted this core, and it deformed at the end. Not sure why – further thought is needed.
  • I will use Soric for the side pieces. The ease of putting it into the stack and having it follow tight curves makes it far better for me than the foam. The time and effort to score, hole, form and shape these pieces isn’t worth the extra 600g of weight the chassis will carry as a result.

Hard Point design for the tub

Here’s the design for my hard-point for harness mounting bolts. It’s 3mm thick steel, and the channels are 2x1mm cuts. What you’re looking at is the underside. The channels and holes are to allow resin to flow through and past the hard-point. The big hole in the middle is where the 7/16 insert will go and get welded. Each channel has been tapered down at the entry point so the resin can easily flow into the part.

I’m hunting around now for prices to get them CNC’d. I need 6 per side (six point harnesses) and I’m getting a couple of spare for welding practice.

When they actually go into the part, they will need a layer of glass-cloth either side to insulate them from the carbon to avoid any galvanic issues.

All hail Dolphin Glaze for filling holes

So, in feeling around the part, I’ve found a few small undercuts where I’d repaired the gel-coat with more gel-coat. I went around it with my fingers to look for issues, and found a few where the repair I’d done accidentally still went in a little, like a dimple. I’ve started using Dolphin Glaze as filler – it’s really thin and spreads well. It also comes in a squeezy tube so application is easy. I also bought a pack of onion paper for mixing on – wish I’d done it much sooner.   

It’s styrene based though, but because I’m spraying in a barrier gel-coat first, I’m not concerned. 

So, next is to make a 2×2 frame and apply plastic sheet to keep the dust down, and then I’m making cloth templates.

First template for the core

This is for the side. It’s a complex shape so multiple pieces of card cut-and-shut. Once I’ve transferred this to a 5mm core I will cut the core and heat shape it to the side. 

I’m using solid core rather than flexible in pursuit of minimum weight. 

Using air to Demould, and Hard Points

So, I think my tub is going to be an interesting thing to demould – basically more than 4m2 of cloth and it’s nearly all sloped edges. I’ve heard of people using air to demould and I have an air wedge, but that only gets in from the top. I’ve even optimistically bought a couple. The other way to do this is to build a function into the mould or part to inject air.

So, the way is to somehow get a thread into the part for an air-line connector to make a seal good enough to take some pressure. One needs something that gets through to the mould/part interface, without anything so ungainly as drilling and tapping a thread for said airline connector.

Ideally, one builds it in to the part.

The technique is to stick the face of a nut to the mould, and then build the layers of cloth around it. In order to stop the resin infiltrating the nut, one should take a bolt, coat the threads in wax and put that in the nut. If you just put the bolt in, there’s a strong chance infusion resin will get down the threadsl. Then, when you demould, you turn the bolt, crack the thread and you have a way to get the air in.

In order to get the air in, you need to take something that matches the thread, drill it out and then weld it to a air-line fitting. So, you can connect it to your airline and force air in. The other thing you can do, rather than do this, is just turn a bolt in to apply physical force to push the part off the mould.

OR, you can make one feature do two parts.

So, my plan is to weld the nut to a plate, cross drill the plate with a bunch of holes, and embedd the plate in the stack – like a hard-point. I will replace the core with the actual plate, so I am putting in a 5mm thick plate (ouch for weight).

I will then use this as a harness anchor point. So, rather than adding a couple or air-release points that are convenient for the mould, I’ll be adding four either side. Two below for the crotch straps, and one either side of the thighs for the leg straps. needless to say I need to be quite accurate for my positioning, and I’ll probably have to use 7/16 UNF rather than M10 to stay with the standard larger size anchor points (rather than have to do lots of explaining to scrutinisers that may not understand what I’ve done). The other smart bit of advice Vic gave me was to double up the cloth over the anchor point, which makes a lot of sense.

Conclusion: reuse is best. Anchor points can become release points. Viva El Presedente.

 

How to repair mould gel-coat (lots of photos)

History
So, I’ve been doing the tidy-up on the mould before I infuse it, and I’ve had a bunch of problems with bubbles behind the gel-coat. These are down to a mistake I made whilst building the damn thing. One puts the gel coat on the mould, or it gets the hose again. Well, I put the gel coat into the mould (spraying), and let it set. Then you put a coupling coat of glass on the back. This is pretty thin (tissue) glass – 100gsm chopped strand. Or you do the wrong thing, and try a new product. I tried a coupling veil, which is like breather fabric. I found it was very very hard to wet out, and hard to make it stick to the gel. What’s more, I also started running out of resin. So, half way down the tub I stopped using it and went back to tissue. When you look at the mould now, you can many more bubbles on one side than the other where I swapped from veil back to tissue.

What I’ve found is that I’ve ended up with a lot of repairs to do to the mould. Here’s my technique – it may work for you.

Step 1 – Find out where the hole is

Once you’ve found it, dig it out with a screwdriver – be sure to probe around the edges – it’s quite surprising how far a run is from a simple small blob.

 

 

 

Step 2 – make it concave

One of the things I’ve worked out is that when getting the gel in the hole for the repair, you can’t get it into every pocket a the edge of the gel .If you’re digging out with a screwdriver you won’t get under every edge, and if you’re coming in down from the top with the screwdriver, you may not lever out the weak points as well where adhesion to material and gel isn’t perfect. So, what I do is put a grinding stone on the Dremmel and go around all the edges until the edge of the hole is convex. Then there’s two advantages – one: no overhanging void that the gel can’t get under and leave a small air pocket you’ll be repairing later; two: I’ve found that it occasionally chips out another void that wasn’t visible at all. It only takes a few seconds to do this. Of course kiddies – safety first. This kicks out a lot of dust and is prone to kicking up gel-flakes, so wear a mask and goggles. It’s also loud so i go for ear defenders. I look like the human fly.

Here it is, all dug out. It’s interesting that I found a lot more void when digging it out.

 

Step 3 – Apply the gel

Gel-coat is weird stuff, and doesn’t fully set in air – it needs a barrier or it remains tacky. There are two ways to do this – first is add a liquid wax solution to the gel coat (typically at 2%). As it sets, the wax migrates to the surface and forms an air-tight seal. It works if you are doing your repair as a one-off or is perfect if you’re spraying a repair. However, I think there are downsides to this for spot repairs:

  1. If you have to build up a repair, you will have to take off the top layer to get rid of the wax (mould cleaner disolves it away, but you’re using expensive chemicals).
  2. If you are building up a repair, it will leave a relatively smooth surface, so not much of a key
  3. The wax is dissolved in styrene (which should totally gas out though) and epoxy and styrene don’t get along well
  4. It is extra faff adding 2% wax to, say, 30g of gel-coat.

So what I do is make up the repair, and seal it with flash tape. It’s specifically designed for resins not to stick to it, as well as being stable at high temperatures. This works quite well for making deeper spot repairs, and the tape gives the gel-coat lots of support if I’m repairing a vertical surface. If you’re using wax, you have to build it up in multiple layers or else it will run. This method is faster (for me).

Step 4 – Flat it off

 

I don’t have a picture of the large wound I repaired half-way through, so I’m going with this one. If you run your fingers over the repaired gel, quite frequently you can feel it’s slightly proud. If you can feel it, you certainly will see it on a cosmetic part. Worse, if it’s half a millimetre proud or more, it may give you release issues as well. You can see around the repair that I’ve started to flat it off. I find a 120 grade paper on a small random orbital sander such as this Ryobi. It’s great because it also has a extensible pointy nose thing that gets into the corners. Like a wasps ovipositor. Kind of. Maybe. I just like saying ovipositor.
The white speckles you can see are where the gray top coat has been flatted back to the white undercoat. Once you start seeing white, you stop. The white line at the top of the repair is a slight highlight reflecting the light from the spotlight I’m using. It certainly shows there’s a lip there. What’s more, this was two holes so I knew to keep flitting back until I’d seen the two holes again. It takes about 10 mins and some patience to do it with the Ryobi.

I didn’t want to go any more coarse than 120 grit because I’d be digging deeply into the part. 120 makes good progress, but then flats off well. To flat the part, I used an 800 grit disk on a sander like this one which did it quickly and safely . No gouging. From 800 I went straight to 1500, then onto the polishing compounds.

 

Here’s the finished version of the holes above, or one similar. What you end up seeing is the original holes filled in. once they’re polished (800 -> 1200 -> 1500 polish ->2000 polish -> anti-swirl polish) the new black gel-coat comes out as shiny as the original.

 

 

 

 

 

So, here’s the final result, polished as well. You can even see the little loop in the picture in black where i accidentally scratched the gel coat with the Dremmel. it’s in the third photo from the top. This is a very solid repair and will take multiple pulls if necessary

 

 

 

 

Half Shiny tub mould

Here we have a view of half the tub mould. It’s been flatted, sanded and polished. It’s not a fantastic mirror shine, but it really is quite shiny. in the left hand picture you can see some black gel-coat where I’ve had to make a repair or two. You can also see some white where I’ve flatted back to the undercoat. Not a problem here.

I’ve learned loads from this half, and now when I get time I’ll do the other half. Ideally finished this week. I think there were 5 hours of work in each half to get to this finish. Flatting was done with a P800 paper attached to a dual action orbital sander. Once flatted (and I’ve got other pictures showing how it looks so you can see if you’re finished the flatting process) I then ran over it with a P1200 to start the polishing. Then with a industrial polishing thing, a P1500 cutting polish, P2000 cutting polish, and then high-gloss and swirl removing polish.

Next steps are to apply mould cleaner and mould sealer. Then 5 coats of release compound. Then … I can actually lay up and pull a part.